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Hi
I'm looking at doing some sort of Certification / Diploma in sport training / coaching. The main reason being that I would like to get a better understanding of things re: training, preparation etc. so that I may apply it to my training in conjunction with my current coach. I suppose the long term view would be to be qulified as a coach in a few years time, specificallhy dealing with power training. BUT the intial idea would be to start from the basics and go from there. Would anyone have any suggestions for an International organization that I could approach re: distance learning (I work full time ) ? |
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What if I got myself together and called myself an institute? (To paraphrase Paul Simon.) |
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That's a very good question! What I have vaguely considered is offering an online course in what might best be termed "applied exercise physiology". The idea would be to try to take what is normally covered in typical undergraduate/beginning graduate exercise physiology courses, and distill it down to the basics that cycling coaches need, or at least want, to know. What I don't know is how much demand there would be for such a course (although I am certain that there would be some), precisely what the scope/magnitude would be, how much to charge (so that it is not only worth my time, but a reasonable investment for a coach), how to deal with logistical issues (such as attendees being in different time zones), and what value there might be to coaches beyond the knowledge that they gain (e.g., could USA Cycling be convinced to give enough CEUs for completion of such a course to meet the requirement, could such a course be substituted for a unversity-based equivalent when seeking accreditation as a coach, etc.). Anyway, I'm wide open to suggestions and input here...anybody who knows me knows that I'm not just out to make a fast buck, but merely want to share any knowledge that I can with "end-users" in an effective way... EDIT: BTW, in case the above comes off as sounding too egotistical: I recognize that there are numerous individuals equally if not more (usually more!) capable of teaching such a course, and that coaching certifications/diplomas/whathaveyou in various countries are often quite a bit more rigorous. Nonetheless, there are clearly people out there who would be interested in something along the lines of what I have described, but as of yet I don't know of anyone offering such a thing. Last edited by acoggan : 13-11.-2008 at 06:22 AM. |
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I would certainly sign up. My thoughts are along the lines that I would like to get to grips with the fundamentals at a higher level that what I may have picked over the years and then go from there. I certainly would like to know more about the "proper" information, rather than pretend I know things just because I read 2 paragraphs in a cycling mag like some people I have met. There are people out there saying "I've read lots of books, I could coach you" and it scares the ..... out of me that these people come into contact with new and young cyclist on a daily basis and offer their "expertees". My primary desire would be to learn this for myself, then hopefully be at a level that I can work toghether with my current / future coach in formulating plans for myself and get a "hands on" feel for things and thereafter pass on any help to people who are willing to listen. simple.............. I beieve that there would be quite a bit of interest but as you said, how does one present the information so that dummies like me (I know you DIDN'T say THAT) can understand things and also how would an International audience avail of these courses. In today's World, online courses are not the hardest thing to set up but of course one needs the demand and also the carrot (yourself / Hunter(?) + a recognised Certificate / Diploma I would suggest) While everyone ponders on this.....would you suggest I look at Fitness Instruction courses, to get started, or are these a bit lame ? |
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Put me down. I would travel from NZ to do it!
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My impression of many of those type of certifications is really a business of selling a title. You pay to take a course, take a simple test and a nice title is received in the mail, but it seems like some of these are more interested in making the course easy so one can pass the test, get the title and pay yearly to keep the certification active. It is a business of selling titles. I may be totally off base in making such a statement, but only because most gym instructors that hold one or more certifications are very unimpressive in their training and nutrition knowledge. I see and hear some weird training methods going on at gyms, but at least it provides me with humor while I work out. Then again I have seen some that are impressive and I imagine those have put more into at a personal level than just taking the simple test and getting the mandatory certification. These days almost all gyms require personal trainers to hold one or more certifications because it looks impressive and it adds to the marketing of selling gym memberships and personal training services to have a bunch of letters following the trainer's name. Then again having those letters behind the name does add a lot of self marketing credit because the average person is really impressed even if they have no idea what the letters mean or what it required to achieve it. So I guess there is a bonus to the certifications. Disclaimer: I have been involved heavily with gyms for over 25 years, I was a personal trainer/consultant to local, national and pro level bodybuilders. I never even attempted to go for a certification, but that was back in the 80's and early 90's. My reputation at the time was enough of a selling apparatus, but if I were training folk today I suppose I would jump in and get some certifications like everyone else.
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Look forward to seeing ore of this idea, Willi |
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Andy,
That sounds very interesting. An actual course set up to study cycling physiology and the principles would be something I'd be interested in. A structure of intro studies to advanced studies would be great. I might be able to help with the course set up online. My girlfriend, and bike racer extrordinaire, works in instructional design for the Univ. of Nebraska Lincoln. She sets up and helps professors with their online teaching ( blackboard, online video conferencing and all around guru when it comes to web gadgets).She does website design. If you want to contact me for further info it's marc@trainingtherightway.com or marcaw658@gmail.com. OP, Read, read, read. I've got a degree in Biology with a chemsitry minor. I had classes in anatomy and physiology and nutrition. Not any in Exercise Phys. I purchased a few exercise physiology texts and they correlate. Become a student of the sport. Quote:
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I would jump on a course like this in a heartbeat... Jim |
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Andy, I believe the demand would be very high. I wish you would do this. I've always wanted a better understanding of applied exercise physiology and if you taught it I would sign up in a heart beat! Rich |
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me too. cycling specific is the key for me, along with the credentials of the tutor of course!
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Of course. In the end though, as with everything one needs some "piece of paper", so to speak. I think I would be taken more serioulsy if I had some sort of certification, rather than tell people that I read, read, read. ![]() |
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Boy, a bit more enthusiasm here for this idea than I expected!
Thanks for the positive feedback, everyone.Since I have y'alls attention, perhaps I can get you to serve as an unpaid "focus group" for me. In no particular order, here's what I've been considering/questions that I have:1) How much time are people willing to commit? To make such an online course a true value, I figure that it would need to move beyond just the half-day of lectures on exercise physiology that is part of USA Cycling's level 2 coaching certification. OTOH, I don't think it would be possible to go into tremendous detail, as A) not everyone signing up for such a course necessarily has the background that would be expected of an undergraduate exercise science student, and B) only so much detail is really useful to a coach (versus interesting). Just off the top of my head, then, I was considering 1.5 h/wk for 10 wk, or perhaps 2 h/wk for 6 wk. As potential student/clients, does that make sense/appeal to you? 2) What time of year would be best? Assuming that most of those signing up would be from the US (which may not be a valid assumption), I'm thinking that summer in the northern hemisphere would be too busy a time for most people. OTOH, I can also see people have problem committing so much time to such a course over the winter, what with holidays and all. So, I'm leaning towards the fall (obviously not this year) and/or spring - what say you? 3) What about tests and grading? Although I joked about calling myself an institute, I don't envision this ever growing to the level of any kind of certification or diploma program (although if somebody wants to take that business model and run with it to form a university for cycling coaches, I could see being a part of that). IOW, those signing up for the course would be doing so almost entirely for the knowledge they would gain, and not in hopes that it would open other doors re. their coaching career. If that assumption is correct, then I don't see a lot of need for tests to make sure that people are truly grasping the material...basically you'd be on your own there. OTOH, I do think that knowing you're going to have to pass an exam at some point is often motivational. My initial thought is therefore to just have an exit exam that is graded pass/fail, but with a standard for passing that is sufficiently high that I'd be comfortable with someone presenting themselves as having passed my course. Thoughts? 4) How much to charge? This is the toughie, and I'm still mulling over what is a reasonable fee. Obviously, though, the more people who sign up the less it would have to be per person to make it worthwhile. I would therefore likely establish some minimum number of individuals who would have to sign up by a particular date for the course to "make", and refund any and all up-front fees to those who pay in advance if it didn't. I'd also likely offer a discount to coaching groups, as that would A) help them, and B) remove some of the incentive to have only one person sign up but then have a bunch of other people also gather around their computer screen. 5) Let's see, what else? I'd make the syllabus available for free a priori, and would probably recommend (but not require) a particular textbook. I don't know whether lectures would be downloadable...on the one hand, it would be great as a student to be able to review material, but on the other, there is no way of preventing the file being shared with those who did not pay for the course. You could argue that what you get for your money is the ability to interact directly with the instructor, but that is diminished in an online course vs. in person, so I'm not sure whether that adds sufficent additional value to discourage piracy. Maybe make the .ppt slides freely available, but not the audio? I don't know... |
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